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rawdawgbuffalo

why we still on clinton, he no beter han GWB but black folks dont read

Rhonda

Wonderful post Bart! I agree that "mainstream" candidates always align themselves with the politicians and clergy in African-American communities as a way to court our vote. Unfortunately many of our politicians and clergy advocate for agendas set by the "mainstream" because it benefits them personally and not necessarily the masses of people who put their trust and faith in them. Bill Clinton exposed the real man in his attack on Barak Obama. We as a people have got to learn to seek our own truth, stand on it, protect it and never be swayed from it. Keep on keeping us informed, my friend!

Indigo

DEVILS ADVOCATE: Should women be insulted when it is purported that Hillary's victory in some states is due to women voters? Didn't Alpha Phi Alpha (a black fraternity)induct Bill Clinton? Didn't black people rave about Bill Clinton and his presidency? If black people were so happy with Bill "back in the day", why is there a sudden change in our tone? Why is there a negative slant on almost EVERY media play involving Hillary? Is there a moral justice when it seems that every comment the Clinton's make against Obama's policy is a personal attack but when the Obama's make a comment against the Clinton's it is all for the sake of good politics and a movement against the machine? At what point does inspirational speech become monotone rhetoric? Why has Obama chosen not to vote (represent the state of Illinois) on MANY issues as a U.S. Senator? I could go on and on but I will leave you with that "food for thought."

Avgbrother

Indigo,

I think you are off base on almost every point that you raised. None of the points that you raised are based in facts. First, I have never heard anything about my fraternity (Alpha Phi Alpha) inducting Bill Clinton into the fraternity. The only high profile semi-presidential figure that received that honor was former Vice-President Hubert Humphrey in the 1940s. There has been no credible information that confirms your question. Second, yes; Hillary Clinton has received some negative coverage. However, "every comment the Clinton's make against Obama's policy is a personal attack but when the Obama's make a comment against the Clinton's it is all for the sake of good politics and a movement against the machine" is not even close to accurate. The media has not accused either side of personal attacks since South Carolina. Hillary Clinton's argument that she is the more "experienced" candidate is more of mere words than any speech that Obama has given and few if any news media outlets have called her on that spin. Hillary and Bill's attacks against Obama in New Hampshire and South Carolina were personal. The fairy tale comment was dismissive, while the dismissal of Obama's victory in South Carolina as a product of a black man receiving the black vote was incredibly racially insensitive at best and racist at worst- especially for a Fomer President that enjoyed unwavering support from the African-American community.

If you do not think the comments were at the very least insensitive then let me ask you a question. Why was Bill Clinton's victories in 1992 and 1996 in states where he captured huge segments of the black vote legitimate, but when Obama did the same it is due to racial voting? Why was Hillary's victories in New Hampshire, Neveda, California, etc where she won by getting the majority of the white female vote, and the hispanic vote legitmate but Obama's victory in South Carolina due to racial voting? Why is Hillary not the white female candidate? It was a personal and low attack by Bill Clinton that ultimately worked to move the vast majority of the Black vote Obama's way. That leads to my third point. Black folks loved the Clintons (and I was not one of them - I voted for him twice but I always recognized that he was not a bad or great president for our community) because we are to in love with the democratic party. Hillary Clinton was competitive within the Black community for votes with Obama until Bill Clinton attacked Obama with his dismissive comments. Fourth, both Hillary and Obama are giving speeches because neither has a wealth of experience in office (Obama has more experience in public office than Hillary). They have way more in common on issues than they disagree. On policy they are nearly the same candidate. Hillary is trying to have it both ways. She wants to run on her husband's record without having the dignity and honesty to say it. And she wants to claim all the positives from Bill's tenure, which there were many, but avoid the negatives, which there were many, from his tenure in office. That is not leadership. That is the same old tricks.

By the way, please get your facts straight because I do not know what you are referiing to when you mention that Obama "has chosen not to vote (represent the state of Illinois) on Many issues as a U.S. Senator." If you mean that he has been absent from the Senate due to the campaign then that criticism cuts towards him, Hillary, and McCain. I hope you are not refering to the "present" votes from when Obama was a State Senator in Illinois Before he became a U.S. Senator. If that is what you are refering to then please quit reading the Clinton press releases. That situation has already been explained. A present vote is when a bill is close to what you want but not there yet. You vote present to keep it from receiving enough votes to pass then force some more negotiations regarding the bill. He placed well over 2,000 votes while a member in the State Senate. He voted present in less than 5% of his votes. There is no indication that he voted "present" more than any other State Senator during his time in the Illnois state senate. By the way, the media that hates Clinton so much took her spin on that non-issue and never researched it for relevance by making a real and fair comparison to the other state senators in Illinois. Maybe you should ask yourself whether the media really is against Clinton or is it just a trick by the Clinton's to look like a victim?

And none of what was mentioned changes the fact that the Clintons are the entrenched machine within the national democratic party and Obama is the challenger. Food for thought.

regina

Indigo, Indigo, Indigo....

You are going to have to be more specific in your comments. It is hard to engage in conversation with you regarding your post because your points seem vague and you do not give a source for your accusations. It sounds more like a rant to me and not a reasoned, rational thought out argument. You threw everything in your post but the kitchen sink!! And by the way, your words "I could go on and on", sound ominous; vague, but ominous. What do you mean?? Give me a call, we'll talk.

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